Reading the comments at Frank's post at TeamPyro, one of the things Adrian said really stood out to me:
"I have to say I am looking for more than a mere acknowledgement of the theory that the Spirit interprets scripture to us. I want to EXPERIENCE personally the Spirit doing this much more frequently in a way that is as thrilling as the way in which Piper describes it. "
Rather than take an hour giving the background of this statement, I'm going to just assume you've read Frank's post and know why Adrian has responded this way.
The reason it stood out to me was due to my own background in a charismatic church, many years ago. While it was never formally taught (that I am aware of and/or that I ever recall hearing) the basic view of that church was that knowing what the Bible said (and believing it) wasn't really the central focus. The focus of that church (and everything taught and discussed) was the personal experience of the Holy Spirit in your life.
How this manifested itself was in members focusing on visions, a word of knowledge, speaking in tongues, highly charged emotional/spiritual experiences that were almost always attributed to the Holy Spirit and a persistant focus on whether or not the Holy Spirit was actively working in your life, and how He was doing that.
In other words, it was all about the frequency and the thrilling experiences, just like Adrian referred to in his comment.
Now, don't get me wrong, I like Adrian. We've had a few really nice chats on google talk and he's got some decent stuff at his blog. Obviously I don't agree with everything Adrian posts or links to, but this is not about me tearing down Adrian. I just thought it best to offer up that disclaimer right away. (Just in case someone gets a wild idea that I'm picking on him or something).
When I read Adrian's comment I think I understood what he meant. With a show of hands, how many Christians genuinely do not want to experience the humbling, deeply moving, overwhelmingly blessed experience of knowing the Holy Spirit revealed something in God's word to us - and did it personally (the way John Piper recently wrote about)? I can't say I know a single Christian that wouldn't joyfully welcome that kind of experience with our Heavenly Father.
The problem is, however (and you knew this was coming), what I think we overlook, when this is our focus, or what's driving us, what we yearn for or feel like we're missing out on:
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (John 20:26-29)
Have you ever wondered where the saying "seeing is believing" came from? Have you ever thought to yourself that you'd really like to be a Doubting Thomas? Thomas had a hard time believing that Jesus was raised from the dead. In fact Thomas said in verse 25 of this passage, unless he were able to see for himself, he would not believe it.
It's not as though Thomas hadn't heard, and it's not as if Thomas was ignorant of the teachings of Jesus. Thomas was a disciple - he was in one of the most interesting positions of the first men ever to hear the teachings of our Lord. Still, Thomas heard Jesus had raised from the dead and he responded with "unless I see it for myself, I will not believe". While that may sound somewhat self-centered, I'm going to assume we all understand a bit of what Thomas was saying there. Sometimes it's hard to just believe without something that we can process and experience with one of the five senses like Thomas felt he needed to do (see and touch). This is potentially dangerous ground when we make our own experiences the final arbiter of what is true and what isn't, especially when it comes to matters of faith.
How did Jesus respond to Thomas, once he was able to determine by sight and touch that Jesus was in fact standing there in front of him?
"Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (emphasis mine)
I can't help but think of the lesson there in that passage for all of us Christians when it comes to seeking these larger than life personal experiences, like John Piper wrote about, that Adrian wrote about, that Frank wrote about (you'll have to follow that rabbit trail on your own).
While it is certainly a wonderful thing to have such experiences in our Christian life, and while I'll assume most all of us have had one or two (or a few) that definitely stand out to us over the years of serving Him, this should never (ever!) be our focus or what we yearn for. We shouldn't be a people seeking after a personal experience when we already have this to instruct us:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2Tim. 3:16-17)
I do not know a single Christian that would denies this passage (but it's generally used to defend the suffiency of Scripture anyway, and the rest of it seems to be often ignored), but I know several who don't seem to think it's enough, for a joyful, fruitful and God-honoring Christian life. Much like Thomas, some people want to see it, touch it and/or have a personal experience to re-tell before they will let it settle in their hearts that it's true. Yet, the very passage itself clearly tells us that inspired Scripture is enough for our doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness that we might be 100% equipped to live a life that is pleasing to God.
I know some who have been taught (and believe) that if they do not have such profound and emotional spiritual experiences, that they're somehow "missing" the voice of God in their lives. (I was one of those people in the beginning of my Christian life). Then I know others who simply cross the line and put such credence into their own subjective experiences that even when these experiences contradict Scripture, they are fiercely defended even to the point that you might be written off from further fellowship with that person.
This is only part of why I say that it's potential dangerous ground to seek after or focus on these kinds of experiences.
Another reason I say that is because Proverbs is filled with warnings about putting too much stock into our own personal experiences - we can be foolish at times and prone to melodrama, making more of a thing than it really was, or digging our heels in with such an attitude of defense, that we only end up blinding ourselves or deceiving ourselves due to our "experiences". The more profound and emotional the experience might have been, the more we're prone to do that very thing.
It should be a wake up call to any Christian that while the message of the world is "trust in your own heart" or "follow your heart" - the Bible actually tells us that the man who does this, is a fool. (Proverbs 28:26). Why? Because our hearts (feelings, emotions) are corrupt, and can often lead us down a path far away from truth, and straight into serious error. When we lean on our own wisdom, our own understanding and our own interpretations (especially when it pertains to something emotionally charged) we effectively remove God's wisdom and guidance from leading us. Experience and emotion is a powerful thing, and when we let it lead us, we've departed from sound teaching.
Indeed there is a balance here. While our emotions are given to us by God, part the very nature of how we were created in His image, we have to be very careful with them. While experiences are also at times very wonderful things, again we have to be careful to be a Berean and genuinely and honestly set that experience to the test of the written word. Asking ourselves the hard questions such as "does it line up?" "did I make that out to be more than it really was?" and even "is the written word really enough for me, or am I thrill-seeking?". These aren't easy questions to ask, but if we're serious about regular self-examining like the Bible tells us we need to be, these are questions we'll be open to.
Finally, I want to ask a few serious questions of those who do seek after such experiences. I wonder if hearing your child say he's sorry (and really mean it) to his sibling when he's wronged him, doesn't flood your heart the same way? I wonder if when you're humbled and shown from the word a correction in your thinking, that isn't something to rejoice over? I wonder if the honor of praying for people who are in desperate need, doesn't bring you great joy?
I could easily go on with questions like these. Aspects of our Christian life that come out in any given situation. When you're cut off in traffic and you don't respond in anger (or you do, and then are immediately convicted of it). When you're in a situation where once jealousy would have reared it's ugly head but is now no longer a part of your life. If you're in a position to share wisdom from His word with someone who is confused, and they understand what you're saying.
There are so many instances like this that happen in our private lives every single day, that indeed qualify for the miraculous and astounding grace filled "experiences" of the Holy Spirit working in our lives, and yet we don't get all excited about them. Shouldn't we? Are they not cause for much rejoicing and gratitude to the Lord?
God forbid that we should miss the forest for the trees, because we're a people looking for the fireworks, the BIG stuff, and the emotional highs that we hear about other people having.
Just some things to think about.

